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		<title>By: Kees Wiebering</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kees Wiebering</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 12:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Benjamin,

Many thanks for your answer and your compliment. &#039;Sparks may fly&#039; as you say on your blog :)

I completely agree with your remark about MSF&#039;s openness. I think I jumped on the criticism wagon without forgetting the basic fact that MSF opened up the discussion themselves. I certainly wish more NGOs would do that.

As for the sender/receiver issue: I suppose any advert reflects a vision of society, and although I&#039;m not completely comfortable in addressing the donor side of the picture, I do think we have to look at it. In any case, I edited my remark to be a little more diplomatic (I hope).

Kees</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Benjamin,</p>
<p>Many thanks for your answer and your compliment. &#8216;Sparks may fly&#8217; as you say on your blog :)</p>
<p>I completely agree with your remark about MSF&#8217;s openness. I think I jumped on the criticism wagon without forgetting the basic fact that MSF opened up the discussion themselves. I certainly wish more NGOs would do that.</p>
<p>As for the sender/receiver issue: I suppose any advert reflects a vision of society, and although I&#8217;m not completely comfortable in addressing the donor side of the picture, I do think we have to look at it. In any case, I edited my remark to be a little more diplomatic (I hope).</p>
<p>Kees</p>
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		<title>By: duckrabbitblog</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 10:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kees,

first off great blog, really interesting work ... will add to duckrabbits links.

Secondly I&#039;m afraid I misinterpreted what you originally wrote, apologies.  I think I got a bit narked with how a few bloggers were trying to hit MSF over the head when they had genuinely encouraged debate.  I can&#039;t say that of any other NGO and I think whilst some of us might not like the advert we should applaud MSF&#039;s openness, otherwise they will just take a closed stance.  Has any other NGO engaged so much in a debate about their communications?  

You are spot on we can&#039;t separate sender and receiver.  But even if we disagree with how the receiver responds I think its dangerous to criticize them.

Benjamin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kees,</p>
<p>first off great blog, really interesting work &#8230; will add to duckrabbits links.</p>
<p>Secondly I&#8217;m afraid I misinterpreted what you originally wrote, apologies.  I think I got a bit narked with how a few bloggers were trying to hit MSF over the head when they had genuinely encouraged debate.  I can&#8217;t say that of any other NGO and I think whilst some of us might not like the advert we should applaud MSF&#8217;s openness, otherwise they will just take a closed stance.  Has any other NGO engaged so much in a debate about their communications?  </p>
<p>You are spot on we can&#8217;t separate sender and receiver.  But even if we disagree with how the receiver responds I think its dangerous to criticize them.</p>
<p>Benjamin</p>
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		<title>By: Kees Wiebering</title>
		<link>http://journal.views-and-vision.org/?p=143&#038;cpage=1#comment-444</link>
		<dc:creator>Kees Wiebering</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 22:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Pete Masters and duckrabbitblog,

Thanks for your reactions and feedback. I stand corrected on the point of MSF disabling the possibility to comment. And it&#039;s also true that MSF entered the debate on the Oscocio blog and published the link on the MSF web site. Pete describes it well, I will edit the post accordingly. My apologies.

As to the points duckrabbitblog addressed,

A 60 second message is short yes, I don&#039;t want to say that all that I have written should be part of the message. I want to say that some interpretations may be prevented. I do heart and support the work that MSF is doing. And I wouldn&#039;t want to see it spoiled by one-dimensional adverts. As an alternative, I would in some way add some message about what MSF actually does to help and change the situation in such places as where this bullet-ridden house stands. I&#039;m sure there is a lot to tell, and I&#039;m sure the advert making pros can make something out of it.

As to arrogance beyond belief and the kind of attitude that leads to intolerance and totalitarianism... that sounds like hitting me with a base ball bat after I stepped on your toes.

My point was that in commercials - as in all communication - there is a sender and a receiver that are both part of the same system. Criticizing the sender (in this case MSF) is just one part of the picture. We, as consumers, are all responsible for the fact that these kind of adverts do actually work. I myself am part of it as well. I edited my remark in the post a little to reflect that thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Pete Masters and duckrabbitblog,</p>
<p>Thanks for your reactions and feedback. I stand corrected on the point of MSF disabling the possibility to comment. And it&#8217;s also true that MSF entered the debate on the Oscocio blog and published the link on the MSF web site. Pete describes it well, I will edit the post accordingly. My apologies.</p>
<p>As to the points duckrabbitblog addressed,</p>
<p>A 60 second message is short yes, I don&#8217;t want to say that all that I have written should be part of the message. I want to say that some interpretations may be prevented. I do heart and support the work that MSF is doing. And I wouldn&#8217;t want to see it spoiled by one-dimensional adverts. As an alternative, I would in some way add some message about what MSF actually does to help and change the situation in such places as where this bullet-ridden house stands. I&#8217;m sure there is a lot to tell, and I&#8217;m sure the advert making pros can make something out of it.</p>
<p>As to arrogance beyond belief and the kind of attitude that leads to intolerance and totalitarianism&#8230; that sounds like hitting me with a base ball bat after I stepped on your toes.</p>
<p>My point was that in commercials &#8211; as in all communication &#8211; there is a sender and a receiver that are both part of the same system. Criticizing the sender (in this case MSF) is just one part of the picture. We, as consumers, are all responsible for the fact that these kind of adverts do actually work. I myself am part of it as well. I edited my remark in the post a little to reflect that thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Masters</title>
		<link>http://journal.views-and-vision.org/?p=143&#038;cpage=1#comment-443</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Masters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 17:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to add to duckrabbitblog&#039;s first point as this seems to be a common mistake made in a lot of blogs covering this issue. The MSF web site has never had the functionality to receive comments - it would be an impossibuility for me to &#039;disable&#039; it. From the very beginning I have asked people to comment at the Osocio blog ( http://osocio.org/message/msf_we_cant_operate_without_your_help/ ) and that request and link is still present on our site. For a week we offered people the chance to comment by email to the MSF UK head of communications but the response was so massive that we took it down and referred everyone to the blogs. I would really appreciate it if you could correct this in your post as I have engaged with this debate as much as time has allowed (which has not been as much as I would have liked) and to try to suggest that MSF is ducking out of it is a little insulting, especially the way it seems to be gathering such momentum that it is the first thing many bloggers refer to.

I respect the opinions of the people who have written about the ad and the issues that surround it - it is valuable feedback that we don&#039;t get enough of normally. That is why I am here (and on many of the blogs you list in your post), commenting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to add to duckrabbitblog&#8217;s first point as this seems to be a common mistake made in a lot of blogs covering this issue. The MSF web site has never had the functionality to receive comments &#8211; it would be an impossibuility for me to &#8216;disable&#8217; it. From the very beginning I have asked people to comment at the Osocio blog ( <a href="http://osocio.org/message/msf_we_cant_operate_without_your_help/" rel="nofollow">http://osocio.org/message/msf_we_cant_operate_without_your_help/</a> ) and that request and link is still present on our site. For a week we offered people the chance to comment by email to the MSF UK head of communications but the response was so massive that we took it down and referred everyone to the blogs. I would really appreciate it if you could correct this in your post as I have engaged with this debate as much as time has allowed (which has not been as much as I would have liked) and to try to suggest that MSF is ducking out of it is a little insulting, especially the way it seems to be gathering such momentum that it is the first thing many bloggers refer to.</p>
<p>I respect the opinions of the people who have written about the ad and the issues that surround it &#8211; it is valuable feedback that we don&#8217;t get enough of normally. That is why I am here (and on many of the blogs you list in your post), commenting.</p>
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		<title>By: duckrabbitblog</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If your going to debate the advert at least do it sensibly and based on facts.  MSF did not disable any comments, so you should correct that in your blog post. They genuinely sought comment.

Can you explain how on earth MSF is supposed to do all the things that you suggest in your blog post in 45 seconds?  Its an ADVERT and should be read in the language of advertising, not documentary.

Finally to criticize those who decide to donate seems arrogant beyond belief. Its the kind of attitude that leads to intolerance and totalitarianism, that denies plurality of action and thought. I&#039;m not a fan of this advert but my wife is and she decided to donate.  I&#039;m glad she did because it shows that she cares and that makes for a better world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your going to debate the advert at least do it sensibly and based on facts.  MSF did not disable any comments, so you should correct that in your blog post. They genuinely sought comment.</p>
<p>Can you explain how on earth MSF is supposed to do all the things that you suggest in your blog post in 45 seconds?  Its an ADVERT and should be read in the language of advertising, not documentary.</p>
<p>Finally to criticize those who decide to donate seems arrogant beyond belief. Its the kind of attitude that leads to intolerance and totalitarianism, that denies plurality of action and thought. I&#8217;m not a fan of this advert but my wife is and she decided to donate.  I&#8217;m glad she did because it shows that she cares and that makes for a better world.</p>
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